Stargate Universe: The Worst Stargate Yet, the Best of the Worst, or Somewhere In-Between?

Take a glance at our reader comments section on our “Stargate: Universe” posts, and you’ll start to notice a couple of patterns: loyal fans of the previous two “Stargate” shows have almost no interest in the new “Universe” show besides going out of their way to call it every name in the book; meanwhile, non-fans of the franchise have grappled onto “Universe” but in doing so are making it be known that the previous two incarnations were utter shit in their opinion. And then there are those guys in-between, like me.

As a fan of “Stargate: SG1″ (I have seen every single episode more than once), but only a casual fan of “Stargate: Atlantis” (more of the same to me, but without the characters I loved), I approached “Universe” with great trepidation. Then the pilot aired, and as you can tell from my review, I dug it. In my opinion it has great potential, and its pluses far outweigh any minuses. Yes, I had issues with it. The sex scene in the beginning made me shake my head, not because I’m a prude or have anything against sex on TV, but my oh my it was just so … gratuitous.

The rest of the show? Dug it. I like the characters. The military types are still the tough and hands-on kind that I loved about the military characters on all the “Stargate” shows. The one major addition is the civilians. Let’s face it, civilians just never had all that much to do in “SG1″ (and to a similar extent, on “Atlantis”) except to show up every now and then to make our military guys’ life miserable with their bureaucracy and civvy nonsense. As you may have surmised, I was never a big fan of “SG1′s” planet-focused episodes, many of which were designed primarily to save money on production while the show geared up for its more space-focused episodes.

The premise of “Universe” remains excellent, and the pilot (and last week’s episode) continues to exceed my expectations. There are interpersonal conflicts, as there must be, but the people aren’t going around the ship shagging in corridors as I had feared ala “Battlestar Galactica”. At least, not yet. When it comes right down to it, this is still very much a “Stargate” show; it just isn’t the often-times vanilla-flavored brand that many “Stargate” fans have become accustomed to. Change is not an easy thing to accept, and I will admit I feared it as much as the rest of you after seeing all the promos, teasers, and pictures, but for the life of me, I don’t see why many think “Universe” is a complete repudiation of the franchise, because it is not by a longshot.

I opened this article by talking about patterns I’m seeing from comments on our “Stargate: Universe” posts, which basically boils down to two passionate sides: the one that believes this is not a “Stargate” show, therefore it must be hated with a passion; the other side seems to agree that this is not a “Stargate” show, but comes to a very different conclusion, which is because this is not a “Stargate” show, they are loving it.

One of the primary objections seems to be that the show features too many unlikeable characters. Robert Carlyle’s Nicholas Rush has not become a hit with “Stargate” fans as the producers probably thought. But the very reason why most people don’t like Rush is precisely the reason why he’s so interesting: he’s not supposed to be likeable, and you’re supposed to question this guy’s every motive. What fun would it be if Rush just fell in lock-step with our military heroes? There are plenty of likeable characters on the show: young Lieutenant Matthew Scott, when he’s not shagging a fellow soldier in the back room of a kitchen, has the makings of a fine leading man. Colonel Everett Young is an immensely likeable George Hammond-type. And Chloe Armstrong, though a tad bracing at first, is quickly growing on me. Even the ill-tempered Ronald Greer is becoming a favorite; he’s such a hardass, you can’t help but love the guy, especially since he values loyalty almost as much as he dislikes Rush and the rest of the civvy population.

One of the reasons why I believe some longtime “Stargate” fans may be reacting poorly to the new show is all the non-“Stargate” fans coming onboard with “Universe”; specifically, these non-fans’ reasons for finally jumping on the “Stargate” bandwagon. The newcomers seem unable to like “Universe” without throwing around terms like “cheesy” when it comes to the franchise up to this point, which I’m sure rubs a lot of “Stargate” loyalists the wrong way. And I don’t blame them, it’s only human nature. Think of it this way: it’s your party, but the guest list is different and the decorations are a little bit darker than you usually like it; then your neighbor shows up and starts chowing down on the nachos and gulping beer and tells you, with that condescending tone, that he digs this party, but only because it’s not as shitty as your previous parties. Yeah, that tends to rub people the wrong way, alright.

But let’s further follow up on this “I like ‘Universe’ because it’s not like the previous shows” train of thought. I will grant you that “SG1″ rarely ventured past the PG landscape, but that was one of its charms. It managed to tell an exciting, intergalactic story without having to indulge in crass language, gross violence, or flashing T&A. “SG1″ was good old fashioned storytelling that parents knew they could sit down to watch with their kids and not have to constantly cover the little one’s ears or eyes at the inappropriate parts. Those who are praising “Universe” while gleefully insulting the two previous series (but in particular “SG1″) are misguided. “Universe” is still very much a “Stargate” show, it just has a new cast, a new setting, and a tad grittier approach. But it’s still the same writers and producers, so really, how much different could it possibly be? You’re deluding yourself if you think “Universe” is a complete departure from the franchise, because it’s not.

So, conclusion: “Stargate: Universe” is a different version of “Stargate”, but it’s still “Stargate”. Sure, the corridors are darker, the characters greasier, and the civilians more prominent, but three episodes in and it’s still very much a “Stargate” show to me. For those who are hating on it because it’s not “Atlantis”, my advice is to get over it, and enjoy “Universe” because I promise you, it’s really not as bad as you may have heard, or initially thought from the pilot. And for those who tuned into “Universe” and liked it, do yourself a favor and actually watch “SG1” with an open mind. You’ll be surprised how much you end up digging it, PG “cheese” and all.

Can't we all just get along?

Can't we all just get along?


  • Sadfan

    You have summed up the three angles fairly well. The problem I have with the show is that almost every defense I have heard as to why the show is good fall outside of the show itself. “They are trying something new” or “it works because the universe allows it to work” or some other explanation as to WHY this show has managed to make it on to my TV screen and how everything is OK and we should just drink the Koolaid.

    The possibility of the show appearing like it does means nothing… to quote Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory in reference to being asked if he is any fun in any alternate universes; “…in some I am a clown made of candy.” The problem I have is with the show itself. I hated (and I mean seething with hate) Battlestar Galactica because it took my childhood friend (the original) and it kicked it in the crotch. It ruined something I loved. So I watched one poorly done, highly dramatic, shaky camera episode and I never looked back.

    My friends and I have had many a discussion as to which was better, BSG or Stargate as a franchise, and to have Stargate simply roll over and pander to popular demand by turning itself into a show I despised with every fiber of my being hurts.

    To make matters even worse I really liked Atlantis. And I loved SG-1. So when I hear statements such as “This is very much a Stargate franchise” it is like having someone tell you that a cup of water is the ocean. It is on TV. It has a Stargate in it. Correlations over.

    If this were a Stargate show they would have had mechanical engineers there helping rush (via stones) on day 2. Instead they whined and complained and impotently twiddles their thumbs wondering what they would do. The Stargate program has dealt with much larger issues than this show ever has the potential to present and instead of facing that fact the fanboys would rather make excuses as to why that CAN’T happen when we have had 13 years of examples of why it can.

  • Bret R

    There is no denying the potential of the show but right now it feels more like a second rate video game. Find water move to next level, find sand move to next level etc. Rush and Eli are two terrific characters. Chloe, sigh, we will see . Col. Young has potential. The thing about the Stargate series is every character has something to contribute., it could simply be there are too many characters. Right now, it has many kinks to work out, as I said in another thread, the last episode has earned Universe a little more of my viewing time.

  • AdamZ.

    Hey Everyone,
    Until about 6 months ago I didn’t get real heavy into sci-fi. I had seen a few Staragate episodes (Some SG-1 and some Atlantis). I really enjoyed the few I had seen, so I got online and found a few sites where you can watch every episode in order from the first season to the last. I WAS HOOKED! No commercials, and in sequential order; that’s the way it should be, I may never go back to broadcast TV. Anyway, after watching both shows (SG1 & Atlantis) from start to finish (Which was AWESOME!), I got disappointed when I found out there are no more episodes. SG1 ran for 10 seasons, I figured why wouldn’t Atlantis. I guess all good things come to an end. But the network gave us SGU as a replacement. I was optimistic about it, thinking it would be comparable in some manner, not even close. This last episode has done me in, I kept holding on trying to give the show a chance to do something, anything interesting. No such luck. I mean, how can you go from two great shows with great characters who are all unique, to having normal college kid characters. I’m a college kid myself, but when I’m watching, I get the feeling I’m watching one of those movies where 8 19-20 year olds are stuck in a haunted building and they die off one at a time. WE HAVE TONS OF THESE KIND OF MOVIES! It’s like watching scream.
    Comparison In Characters: In the first two episodes you have at least one tough guy in the group, Rhonan (sorry if I misspelled) in one, and Tealc in the other, however in SVU most of them are sissies. Even the crazy convict soldier guy was scarred to see his own death. I’m tired of all this whiny crying drama! I want action! Maybe that is where the big difference is; we traded an action series for a drama series. However, even a drama can be interesting. For instance, I would consider the show “House” to be a bit of a TV drama. But there is one character that really makes the show a success due to his blunt attitude, you know what I’m talking about. And in SG1, that similar character is Jack O’Neil. He always had a straight no-nonsense way of looking at things that made his character interesting. Since there is none like him in the show, they catch a quick scene with him in this series, but that is not close to enough. It’s almost like he is an afterthought. And for what purpose I’m not sure.
    All that being said, most sci-fi junkies are pretty smart (forgive me if I say nerdy) people. I’m sure some of you might know what we could do (productively) to help the writers andTv execs (or whoever makes the decisions on what the viewers want) change the situation for the better. I mean, just complaining on a few blogs doesn’t seem like it would do much good, I want to know if there is a better way to improve what they put on our screens? Tell me your thoughts? -AdamZ.

    Your right, we have traded sci-fi action for reality TV drama.
    But that is exactly the problem. Sci-Fi stands for Science fiction, so giving the show a more real feel, ends up making it hypocritical unto itself.
    The best part about science fiction is the things that are outside of the norm. Things that stretch the limits of our imagination. The only thing that has come close in this series, has been the ship, and even that has not been well presented. Lets face the basic plot here , it’s a futuristic broke down POS car, and the cast from “Scream” and “The Blair Witch Project” is stuck aboard and boring us to death. – AdamZ.

  • http://NA TMan

    SGU is boring teen drama crap.

    Boycott!!!

    Thanks a bunch Mallozzi.

  • VIc

    People, I have every damned stagate dvd out there and watched all episodes countless of times,,,ive been event to a convention,… and people this is not stargate.. it has stargate elements yes , but they should have called this show by another name instead of using a well known franchise name with a huge fan base and butcher the god damned name …SGU is boring like hell, 70% of the show is filler, and now theres the episode life coming.. and guess what..after 2 series they FINALLY had to use the gay/lesbian card to boost ratings..i remember on BUffy when Willow magically finds out shes gay…ya right!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is a terrible show and ill wait for the next series thank you

    • VIc

      Im soo pissed i still have to give shit to Mallozzi.
      How can someone actually try to kill a series..weve seen it in the past before…DONT TRY TO FIX SOMETHING IF ITS NOT BROKEN DAMMIT!

      Id really like to go back in time to a time i didnt know how crappy this show would be..a great sci fi franchise going by the way of the dinosaurs…….and id like to do something about that but theyd have to kill every cast member and put Amanda tapping at the helm to get be back

      • VIc

        please disregard any typos plz lol

  • AdamZ.

    well… we’ve all been sold out… SGU is a joke.. so time to find a new place to roost. I’ld like to sugest watching the new show “V”. It’s no stargate, but it is closer to SG1, SGA than SGU could ever hope to be. So if you haven’t already done so, check it out. I’m sure that V is going to have insanely good ratings, but it is partly because it’s all we have left. There are no other good sci-fi options out there. So for now,, SGU can kiss my but, and V is my new #1. It’s sad because I used to have a 4-5 different good shows to watch, now I have only 1-2 and alot of time left over to wait in between.

    • VIc

      ok ill give V a try, though i grew up on the old V back when i was a kid…hope its good

  • http://sgusucks.com alien0

    Same over here.. i have a big hole in what has been the great holy scifi-friday.
    I’m just so disappointed and sad about what happened to the stargate franchise.
    I hope MGM has to sell it to someone who has actually a conscience.
    Who ever made the decisions to trade an improved version of sga for a damn teenysoap in space without any logic, should be fired. What a massive fail!!

    • VIc

      I hear ya bro, theres alot of people out there really pissed about how Mallozi and the rest doomed the franchise, he might piss about it on his blog but everyones accountable…theres a ton of sites dissing the show and praising SG1 and SGA…i even hear theres a 2nd season starting up after their wrap party for season 1 was finished…

  • John Tsoukalas

    As a longtime science fiction reader and dreamer, I have loved most of the visual attempts at SciFi, even the cheesy ones like Lost in Space. I can like the Alien series and the FireFly series. Blade Runner and Starman. Terminator and the Original Battlestar. But I have noticed what thread does not run in any of them. Deep Sarcasm, as if Humanity has no worth. Nix, like you I have seen every SG episode from the original movie to Universe at least 2 times (SG1 and Atlantis many more) but I will admit that while I will watch SGU until it is done (unless it ceases to be SG), it will probably be the first series that I don’t own on DVD. I hope it gets better because the Pilot episode had glaring errors,
    1. that a Dedalus class ship with asgard tech could not immediately
    dispatch 3 Hatak class ships
    2. that the McKays would have figured out what “MathBoy”

    • http://www.scificool.com Nix

      I don’t disagree with you about owning “Universe” on DVD. What makes a show “re-watchable” is the fun factor. “Universe” is not altogether a “fun” show. At least, not yet. Hopefully it’ll change and become lighter, but perhaps not…

  • John Tsoukalas

    figured out

    3. A Military man would allow a geek like Rush push him away from the
    console.

  • pol

    All the shite love earth relationships are ruining the whole show. I don’t give a damn to these boring family affairs that are supposed to be moving. Dull, dull, duller. They are just spoiling quite a good original scenario with crappy romances or useless family business which sometimes take 50% of the episode. The early Star Trek scenarists managed to make interesting stories without boring us with the sickening heartaches and romances SGU is feeding us.

    Let us not forget the appalling “musical” passages, where a shite song is played to show us even shittier scenes. All in all, 10 or 15 minutes of real “story”.

    Getting poorer and poorer.