Stargate Universe: The Worst Stargate Yet, the Best of the Worst, or Somewhere In-Between?

Take a glance at our reader comments section on our “Stargate: Universe” posts, and you’ll start to notice a couple of patterns: loyal fans of the previous two “Stargate” shows have almost no interest in the new “Universe” show besides going out of their way to call it every name in the book; meanwhile, non-fans of the franchise have grappled onto “Universe” but in doing so are making it be known that the previous two incarnations were utter shit in their opinion. And then there are those guys in-between, like me.

As a fan of “Stargate: SG1″ (I have seen every single episode more than once), but only a casual fan of “Stargate: Atlantis” (more of the same to me, but without the characters I loved), I approached “Universe” with great trepidation. Then the pilot aired, and as you can tell from my review, I dug it. In my opinion it has great potential, and its pluses far outweigh any minuses. Yes, I had issues with it. The sex scene in the beginning made me shake my head, not because I’m a prude or have anything against sex on TV, but my oh my it was just so … gratuitous.

The rest of the show? Dug it. I like the characters. The military types are still the tough and hands-on kind that I loved about the military characters on all the “Stargate” shows. The one major addition is the civilians. Let’s face it, civilians just never had all that much to do in “SG1″ (and to a similar extent, on “Atlantis”) except to show up every now and then to make our military guys’ life miserable with their bureaucracy and civvy nonsense. As you may have surmised, I was never a big fan of “SG1′s” planet-focused episodes, many of which were designed primarily to save money on production while the show geared up for its more space-focused episodes.

The premise of “Universe” remains excellent, and the pilot (and last week’s episode) continues to exceed my expectations. There are interpersonal conflicts, as there must be, but the people aren’t going around the ship shagging in corridors as I had feared ala “Battlestar Galactica”. At least, not yet. When it comes right down to it, this is still very much a “Stargate” show; it just isn’t the often-times vanilla-flavored brand that many “Stargate” fans have become accustomed to. Change is not an easy thing to accept, and I will admit I feared it as much as the rest of you after seeing all the promos, teasers, and pictures, but for the life of me, I don’t see why many think “Universe” is a complete repudiation of the franchise, because it is not by a longshot.

I opened this article by talking about patterns I’m seeing from comments on our “Stargate: Universe” posts, which basically boils down to two passionate sides: the one that believes this is not a “Stargate” show, therefore it must be hated with a passion; the other side seems to agree that this is not a “Stargate” show, but comes to a very different conclusion, which is because this is not a “Stargate” show, they are loving it.

One of the primary objections seems to be that the show features too many unlikeable characters. Robert Carlyle’s Nicholas Rush has not become a hit with “Stargate” fans as the producers probably thought. But the very reason why most people don’t like Rush is precisely the reason why he’s so interesting: he’s not supposed to be likeable, and you’re supposed to question this guy’s every motive. What fun would it be if Rush just fell in lock-step with our military heroes? There are plenty of likeable characters on the show: young Lieutenant Matthew Scott, when he’s not shagging a fellow soldier in the back room of a kitchen, has the makings of a fine leading man. Colonel Everett Young is an immensely likeable George Hammond-type. And Chloe Armstrong, though a tad bracing at first, is quickly growing on me. Even the ill-tempered Ronald Greer is becoming a favorite; he’s such a hardass, you can’t help but love the guy, especially since he values loyalty almost as much as he dislikes Rush and the rest of the civvy population.

One of the reasons why I believe some longtime “Stargate” fans may be reacting poorly to the new show is all the non-“Stargate” fans coming onboard with “Universe”; specifically, these non-fans’ reasons for finally jumping on the “Stargate” bandwagon. The newcomers seem unable to like “Universe” without throwing around terms like “cheesy” when it comes to the franchise up to this point, which I’m sure rubs a lot of “Stargate” loyalists the wrong way. And I don’t blame them, it’s only human nature. Think of it this way: it’s your party, but the guest list is different and the decorations are a little bit darker than you usually like it; then your neighbor shows up and starts chowing down on the nachos and gulping beer and tells you, with that condescending tone, that he digs this party, but only because it’s not as shitty as your previous parties. Yeah, that tends to rub people the wrong way, alright.

But let’s further follow up on this “I like ‘Universe’ because it’s not like the previous shows” train of thought. I will grant you that “SG1″ rarely ventured past the PG landscape, but that was one of its charms. It managed to tell an exciting, intergalactic story without having to indulge in crass language, gross violence, or flashing T&A. “SG1″ was good old fashioned storytelling that parents knew they could sit down to watch with their kids and not have to constantly cover the little one’s ears or eyes at the inappropriate parts. Those who are praising “Universe” while gleefully insulting the two previous series (but in particular “SG1″) are misguided. “Universe” is still very much a “Stargate” show, it just has a new cast, a new setting, and a tad grittier approach. But it’s still the same writers and producers, so really, how much different could it possibly be? You’re deluding yourself if you think “Universe” is a complete departure from the franchise, because it’s not.

So, conclusion: “Stargate: Universe” is a different version of “Stargate”, but it’s still “Stargate”. Sure, the corridors are darker, the characters greasier, and the civilians more prominent, but three episodes in and it’s still very much a “Stargate” show to me. For those who are hating on it because it’s not “Atlantis”, my advice is to get over it, and enjoy “Universe” because I promise you, it’s really not as bad as you may have heard, or initially thought from the pilot. And for those who tuned into “Universe” and liked it, do yourself a favor and actually watch “SG1” with an open mind. You’ll be surprised how much you end up digging it, PG “cheese” and all.

Can't we all just get along?

Can't we all just get along?


  • Puzzlefighter

    SGU is just too serious. It's simply not as fun as the others. It's relatively dark and somber, and the fact that it is so serious makes all the extreme tech that much more intolerably unbelievable. Additionally, the premise of the show at this point is truly just survival, as the trailers all indicated. However, just because I was told it would be lame doesn't mean that it is OK to have a lame show. We've gone from worrying about our entire planet's survival, even entire galaxies' survivals, to worrying about 50 persons trapped on a ship. This series could have been a single episode in either SG1 or SGA.

    • Nix

      That's a good point. It is quite “life and death” all the time, every time. I think, once the initial “let's survive on the ship” episodes are done with (I believe we have maybe two more to go?), we may get more episodes showing the lighter side of things. Hopefully. But you're correct — it can't, and shouldn't be so depressingly serious all the time.

    • Juliuszarcotti

      Stargate Universe was the first Stargate I’ve watched. After finishing the first season, I went back and watched some of SG-1 and Atlantis. In my opinion, Stargate Universe is by far superior than its predecessors. This is probably because this Stargate series is reaching out to a new crowd. My crowd. A people who didn’t get into SG-1 or Atlantis. I totally dig Universe!

      • kay

        that is probably because your leftist trash. SG1 and even SGA was to a degree more targeted at conservative to moderate people. SGU was the manifestation of the writers inner liberal nature.

        Hence why those who disliked the moral, good nature of SG1 and SGA would find SGU a far “superior” product. Because on many levels the messages of homosexuality, infidelity, ruthlessness and bs drama resonate with you.

        In short if you did watch SG1 and SGA you are such a scum sucker you would probably of rooted for the Gould and the Wraiths. AKA your liking of SGU is a reflection of what a scum bag you are.

  • Name

    I approached the pilot with a very positive frame of mind and ended up really disappointed. I'm one of those in-between people the writer is talking about, not rabid fan but not casual viewer, and I watch a lot of scifi. The characters are mostly underwritten. I don't even remember most of their names. A dark series does not have to be literally dark. An alien ship should be more interesting and I don't know…alien? I don't think it is exactly treading new ground. There were a lot of cliches. And as for the sex scene. I missed it. I was in the kitchen. SGU may yet pull itself together as a series. But will I still be there to see it?

    • Nix

      Well there's no law that says you can't come back in Season 2 and catch up. Happened to me with “Supernatural”. Saw the pilot, didn't care for it, but after catching an episode here and there in Season 3 and liking what I saw, I went back and watched the previous seasons and got caught up.

  • ROFL

    ROFL, Nix is now screening comments also just because I didn't agree with him, looks like he can't get over people doesn't like SGU.

    Doesn't matter, 2 other poster already posted why SGU still sucks despite the positive spin.

    Keep deleting this and I'll make a bot to auto post this in random intervals under 1000 different ips around the globe

    • Nix

      Screening? No, I simply deleted your comments because you kept posting under different names saying the same thing. (You are the “Stargate is gay” poster, correct? No, don't bother to deny it, IP doesn't lie.) Dude, I don't care if you don't like this show; 90% of the people who posted in the SGU threads don't like the show, and I haven't deleted their posts. But if you're going to dislike the show, be a man about it and stop posting under different names like some coward. At least own up to your posts. Fair enough?

    • Skiznot

      When you give valid reasons for liking something that’s not spin. Just as if you gave valid reasons for not liking it I wouldn’t call it negative spin. I’m not one of these people that wanted to like it. I didn’t care either way and I turned out to be very happy as a fan of science fiction going way back.

  • ROFL

    Top lying, WTF has the name got to do with anything. You have 3 SGU review topics, I posted 1 in each, someone replyed me also but you also deleted his comment together with mine. Instead of keeping 1 you deleted ALL of them, this is what I posted:

    SGU = Some Gay Universe

    There is a reason why stuff like doors and mugs maintained the same basic shape over thousands of years:
    They just work.

    And SGU doesn't work. because someone in a board room decided he has to prove himself by being totally different and killed SGA.

    I still had hope after ep1 and ep2, but after watching ep3, that hope is gone.

    No matter how you spin it, there is just an aura of gayness surrounding SGU.

    I've looked everywhere and the only defence the supporters of SGU can come up with is “they're trying something new”

    LOL, the problem was never “trying something new”, the problem is they killed SGA so they can use try this piece of crap attacged to the stargate brand.

    This is the equvalent of FIFA changing the football rules, forbid running and allow players to use their hands at all times in the next worldcup.

    There's nothing wrong with the rules themselves, but if you destroy what was good and replace it with something totally lame, you will be ridiculed.

    SGU is now the offical soap opera for gay and lesbians.

    • Nix

      I didn't delete his post, but once your post was deleted, his was deleted automatically since it depended on your post to be “replied to”. In any case, I suggest you clean up your act and try to post like an adult. Going around calling the show “gay” in every thread isn't going to win you converts. You're free to rant all you want, but stop being a child about it. You probably think you're making a point, but all you're doing is reinforcing what people already think of Stargate fans, that they're a bunch of children who can only stomach childish shows, etc. You're basically making guys like me, who defend all the Stargate shows whenever he can, look bad. Get a grip and grow up.

      • Basil Murad

        Dude, don't let this idiot get to you man, he's just a lowly troll. Don't even bother giving him a reason to push your buttons, just let him (or she, or it?) be. Sheesh, never did I expect SGU to cause this much a stir, I think I see what's coming next…

      • lawnerd

        If you, Nix, are the moderator, you ought to be commenting on his language. as a gay scifi nerd myself, i think it is crap that a whole forum will sit their and have no problem with someone throwing around the word gay as an equal to lame, stupid, crappy.
        “soap opera for gay and lesbians,” seriously?
        if you are a moderator, then try a little harder.

        • Nix

          Have you not been reading anything in this thread? This other guy is complaining because I deleted all his gay-bashing comments, and now here you are telling me I'm not doing enough? Good grief. There's no pleasing some people.

      • stargate fan

        Actually, the idea that SGU is just too gay may in fact be part of the problem as far as the show turning off long time supporters of the franchise.

        With today being in February 2010 and now having seen ten episodes I can speak with a great deal of conviction SGU is just a very badly done show. It lacks any characters that are likeable ( with Eli in his goofy immaturity probably most likeable). Then the idea that elite scientists that in a real world expedition would not have been screened to exclude folks not capable of coping with potentially dangerous situations is simply not believable. These folks were off world in a top secret scientific facility so the nut cases on Destiny could have never been off world to begin with. It just does not add up as being possible. When you add in the terribly flawed story lines, dead slow and boring presentation it all combines to be a terrible show. I know immature people that lack real world experience are drawn to the lusty idea of large breasted woman or women on woman sex and would think the show great but it still is badly done. .

        Folks like me that have followed the franchise starting with the very first movie, and then catching SG1 on Showtime and then Syfy viewing every episode multiple times I believe I can have a basis for my opinion. The show may be able to keep enough longtime supporters and gain enough newbys to stay on air for a while but unless something meaningful is done the Stargate franchise is on its way down. I am saddened and already miss it.

        • SG1_SGA

          Every word I thought of is here, so thanks stargate fan I can only concur with your assesment… the Stargate franchise is on its way down. I am saddened and already miss it.

    • Skiznot

      Your comment is totally gay. Actually that’s not fair, plenty of gay people have class and can engage in in intelligent discourse. The word is lame. Calling something “gay” because you don’t like it sounds very Jr. High school.

  • humptygrumpty

    Enjoyed reading that mate. A question : since the show has changed so much, is it more constructive to judge it against (where it's pitching itself at) other similar shows; Lost, BSGm etc, — or SG1 et SGA. I'm coming round re: Rush, still can't stand him – but I thought I had misinterpreted him for the first few episodes, but he's actually a character you just simply don't like and I guess this gives them a room for development over the season.

    But sometimes there's just cringe moments – delivering the news to the senators wife… that acting was : terrible. And why I asked the first question (under the assumption of course that you've seen Lost) – do you remember episodes with acting like that? heheh… mibbe there were and I've blocked them out.

    I'm entertained for sure, genuinely interested in where it will go, and am liking most of the characters – eli's good!

    Anywhoo!

    • Nix

      I actually think making it a mishmash of “Lost”, “Battlestar Galactica”, and “Stargate” was the point. It's a lot of what you've already seen, but presented in a new format — a dash of “Lost” here, “BSG” here, and wrapped up with the familiar “Stargate” universe.

      Acting-wise, I've learned not to be too harsh on the actors during early episodes of a new show. I've watched enough TV to know that if you were to go back to the first season of every show (yes, even “Lost” or “Battlestar Galactica”) you'll notice how uneasy they are in their character's skin. It takes time to get comfortable, so allowances must be made.

      Rush — I don't know why people have such problems with him. He's a great character, and Robert Carlyle is brilliant in the part. I can see now why he would take a hiatus from a thriving movie career to suffer through the grind of a weekly TV show.

      • humptygrumpty

        Fair play – I totally agree with the mishmash being intentional – that's what I thought after the first ep. And I will concede pt 2 – the actor probably isn't one who we will see a lot of, so getting me knickers in a knot isn't worth it.

        Robert — he may be a great actor, and brilliant in his part, but he's playing a dislikeable character. I guess this could be personal taste – and a tangent – I like Hugh Laurie in House, who can be quite dislikeable as a character but always tends to redeem himself with some pretty dark and funny lines which you can't help laffing at. That's all I guess i'm after – some humour perhaps? A spark of brilliance?

        • Nix

          The humor will come once the life and death stuff is out of the way, I think. Obviously it was a gamble for the producers to dive into the “hard” stuff so early on; they really took a big risk, and from all the comments I've read from Stargate loyalists, it blew back in their faces. I think, if you give them a chance, and the current story arc — finding a way to survive their initial landing on the Destiny — is out of the way, things will, literally, brighten up. But that's just a guess, of course, I could be wrong.

  • LionessKate

    I'm enjoying Universe.
    One of the things it's doing right for me- early Stargate (SG1 especially) conveyed a strong sense of happy-go-lucky explorers wandering blindly into the unknown. For me at least, that feeling decayed considerably once the Tau'ri had multiple Daedelus class ships.

    It's nice to see them lost again…

  • j'aime SG-1

    I actually don't like. I had tuned in thinking oh, great a new Stargate. Instead no humor, not even the wry quip, a bunch of unlikeable people (except for Eli), and no plot. No, I don't have to have someone dying every other moment or something blowing up every moment to find it entertaining. Some of Stargate SG-1 episodes were like that. But anymore character driven seems to mean no plot–just characters agonizing over something. It might be what would actually happen, hopefully I would keep it in in front of strangers, but it's not entertaining to watch.

    I don't find Dr. Rush so bad, yes he's someone you need to watch because he has his own agenda, but I don't like the Colonel in charge, and the sargent. And the Kewpie doll, the senator's daughter, has to go.

    • Tim

      If they just got rid of Chloe, it would be much better.

      There’s nothing really wrong with the show, except her.

      Annoying actress. Wish they’d just kill her off and be done with it.

      She’s the only weak link in the show.

  • STARGATE????

    Battlestar Galactica with a hint of stargate = not stargate and not for stargate fans. This show does not deserve the stargate titles. Extra boring battlestar galactica crap. I give this show 5 el crapo out of 5. As a show on its own i give it 2 out of five. Stargate Universe is a boring meth factory in space. Really SG-1 and SGA should get back on syfy SGU should stay on for who ever watches it but change it to “Universe” its just not a stargate show. I really think people want to see stargate and this crap shoot is all that is offered. SG-1 and SGA are great shows you have to start them from season one episode one. SGU if you watch it you try to hold on waiting for it to get good and it just drags on with boring OH wow she has tata's boring boring gritty dragging time wasted again stargate no show.

  • kensu

    i loved and i still love SG1 and i dislike SGA.SGU is quite ok .Of course is not like SG1 they didn't meant to do that just like torchwood it's not doctor who.Just give it a rest ,only 4 episodes aired till now.I don't say i love SGU but i'll give it an 8

  • Di

    Hav to agree its a boring Battlestar Gallactica clone. I will watch a few more episodes to see if it improves then it will be Stargate black hole.